We have had a couple litters of each and tried to be very selective on what we move forward with. Right now we have upside down trios of each. But already know which buck we will be moving forward with. We have a pair of black himi netherland dwarfs, and a Black and Chocolate pair of tans. We feel blessed to have aquired a nice ND buck from Star struck rabbitry, we named him BatBunny ( since I am told he can not be called Batman- since he is not at man at all. ) And a nice chocolate Tan from Golden Hills in California. We are working with an Abbeyroads ND doe who has given us two litters from Crain Acres Jon snow. We have had 3 litters of Tans out of our first doe a lilac that had a lot of room for growth. ;) We have kept Nightwing a black tan buck to move forward with. My oldest has taken them on as a new project while my young boys enjoy their ND's.